I wrote a somewhat lengthy alternate history novel (it was about 250k). Then I ended up splitting it into two novels, which ended up about 100k each. Then I wrote erm several sequels. I have a massive book series and I can't sell one book! lol
I am at the office now and finally have a chance to look at yesterday's poetry contest entries. I will render judgment and send it to Phoenix shortly. (No, that is not a reference to the vertically-challenged among us.)
I think a back of the hand shot would be apropos. After all, we get slapped with the back of his hand all the time. Might as well see it for real to allow true visualization.
I'm changing tags to archive Thursday's bar postings, so things might hiccup if you're posting while I'm changing. Should just take a couple of minutes...
Go lobby him on his blog for another pic! I'll post if he provides. But Robin and I have gone way past the favor limit with him, I think :o) He's been grand about it all!
Thanks all, but the best-catered dinner party would fall flat without great guests showing up and making it a party! Bonnie, Dave, Sylvia and everyone else - thanks to YOU!!!
Thanks to all of you who put on the festive occasion. It was a blast. And wasted a lot of writing time. I always look for excuses like that. Especially when they involve alcohol and junk food.
Bosh, most of us would show up for the opening of an envelope! The set-up and the contests and especially all the drinks (that was some mighty fine port on Wednesday night by the way), that's where the work was.
Thanks again.
Gawd, I've even started writing a new fiction thing. *grumble*
Ah, but have we ruined EE? Now that's he's been forced to interact with us - first on Chris' blog, then those midnight chat sessions, and now this - will he ever be able to look at our queries and openings again with evil, unbiased eyes? He'll see us as people, not avatars. Ladies who drool over his knee and mush over his pup. Guys he's gotten drunk with. People who've said *gasp* kind things to him. Have we ruined him? Have we?
You know, having struggled like mad to write a query letter for the Faerie Dream (and still not managed it), I'm getting exceedingly pissed off at all the blog posts saying that means the story must be shit.
I agree. I read one the other day, which basically said if you can't write a good query letter your don't know how to write a novel either. The gist of it was, don't waste my time and other agents if you can't even write a qood query.
Excuse me for sounding arrogant, but yes, I can write. I just can't write a danged query.
Julie, exactly. And now this new post saying if you can't write a query for the book, you aren't excited enough about the book and should write another one that you ARE excited about.
I really resent having my enthusiasm levels dictated to me. The fact that people are saying they spent 3 months writing a query letter doesn't sound "unexcited about the book" to me. This is just not logical.
A good query from a complex story is a very difficult thing indeed. Judging an entire book based on the query is similar to judging the entire portfolio of an artist on one photo. Unfortunately, that's what agents have to do because of the sheer volume of submissions.
The agents find it easier to equate "bad query" with "bad writer" because that way they can justify giving it no more than three minutes. This is not unique to publishing. Venture Capital is much the same. A VC will judge your entire business proposal on two paragraphs of executive summary and, if you're lucky, three minutes of face time.
Thus, the trick is to keep working on the query until you are good at it. Only then, when the agents give your partial/full their complete attention, will you find out that yes, indeed, your story is shit.
PJD, yes, I know this is a painful exercise that must be conquered.
When I started riding bucking horses, I got my drilled in the ground every time. After three years, I learned to ride them decently. Then I quit because I proved to myself I could do it.
phoenix---you know, you and robin really did pull off something spectacular! Organizing this many people, this many tributes, all the festivities, and keeping them secret. Very nicely done!
I wouldn't mind it once a month but only for one evening. Actually, all the wrangling back and forth kind of re-energized me. I'm actually going to *shudder* submit a query to EE
You always have the lovely timezone problem to deal with, that is why two days was good. Weekends might help with that? (says she who seems to be gone most weekends)
I have a query I want to submit but I don't have a title for the thing :(
I always have problems with titles. I've had finished short stories that sat for months waiting for a title so I could submit them. Novels are worse. With my last one, I used the name of a main character, but she was a ship so it worked.
Maybe it's because I think of it as trying to fit what the whole story is about into a few words.
In this scene my mc has been watching some seamen sparring. The captain offers to teach her a technique he uses in exchange for a kiss if he beats her. She is a little over confident and agrees.
This is the conversation after the fight. It just spoke to me because her temper and pride do get her in trouble.
“I’m a pirate, paladin. I play to win and while I did bait you out, you for the most part beat yourself. Anger is a poor teacher in battle. Aside from that, you hold your shield too close and you don’t press the attack.”
“You knew I would take the challenge.”
“I did. Paladin’s pride. Pride will undo you, little one. It will get you into more trouble than you can get out of and I have a feeling you can find trouble without looking for it.”
Dragon Valley will get a new title. That is boring as all get out, but I am too lazy to think about it.
The title will probably be changed anyway, so don't stress about it.
Christ, you people are still here? Go home. It's. Over. Go!
No, kidding. I just wanted to thank Phoenix and Robin for putting on a great show. Thinking about the amount of work you two put into this makes me shutter. You should be proud. We're all proud of you, and extremely grateful, and it seemed like EE enjoyed himself, so a success all around. Course he probably still likes Deece better, but hey, baby steps.
Thanks again you two! I'd stay and help clean up, but...I've got a...thing...
Playing on a fantasy stereotype - a master thief was betrayed by a friend & spent 20 years in prison is now free and wants revenge but that former friend is now a man of power within the city & life isn't very easy when you're a broken down ex-thief. Falcon was his "working name" so it's not even applicable now.
Hmm, I should sleep too, but I'm in the middle of a scene between a woman and her father where she's trying to break it to him that she's living in sin with a married couple.
It's a fantasy bar. It'll have airbags — and a duck like the one from EE's recent cartoon for releasing emergency smelling salts as it spins the wheel.
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*pokes head around door*
Oooh, unopened bottles...
No, no, must sleep. Night night all.
Night. I should go too.
Obviously this new bar isn't going to do well. Bad business plan.
Night all.
Of course, it is.
Martha was dancing naked on the bar. It scared people off, but they will return.
Good night xenith, mck. We'll leave this post open all day. Come back in your morning and see who won your zombie calf, mck!
Phoenix, you and Robin seriously did a great job. I'm sure EE is as grateful as we are.
Tilly wasn't dancing?
Hmm, Xenith said I had to come buy a round of drinks for everyone.
No takers? Shame!
*herds moths back into wallet*
Some guy is listening to the sea shells on her boobs. She's distracted.
Hey, wait just a minute. I'll have a margarita.
Salt with that?
Please, on the rocks.
Tell me about your novel.
Hey buffy! We missed your wiggling nose.
There ya go! Rocks AND rock salt.
And a dark rum for me.
*leans elbows on bar*
Which novel? I've written...well, more than I've sold! lol
Oh man, we almost got Miss Snark to volunteer for writing the ending to our story. She posted there but, darn, came to her senses and bowed out :o)
blast. A Miss Snark ending would have rocked.
Buffy, McK said I should commiserate with you about long fantasy novels.
Oh! I know what that's about :D.
I wrote a somewhat lengthy alternate history novel (it was about 250k). Then I ended up splitting it into two novels, which ended up about 100k each. Then I wrote erm several sequels. I have a massive book series and I can't sell one book! lol
*bangs head on desk*
Why, yes, that was just the encouragement I needed!
Well, if PALADIN doesn't sell, I already have another book started. I am not going to finish the series if I can't sell the first one.
My, stars, though, that has to be hard to have the series done.
The word "commiserate" didn't give you a clue? :D
Here, have another drink.
Several of my friends have hooked agents and/or publishing deals recently. It can be done!
Thanks, I'll have a double.
I haven't looked up commiserate yet. I thought it meant rejoice.
I'm wondering if people are still in the bar at this late stage?
I am but heading to the chiropractor momentarily. He thinks he can fix my typo problem.
Sqrls are. When they're not throwing the caterpillar.
I keep missing all the really happening chat times but oh well. I'm off for a while myself. But I'll have to read all the hullabaloo from last night.
Crazy entries in the contests, too. Such wit among the minions.
I thought I heard something about a hat. WTF?
Hi, Buffy!
I am at the office now and finally have a chance to look at yesterday's poetry contest entries. I will render judgment and send it to Phoenix shortly. (No, that is not a reference to the vertically-challenged among us.)
*waves to pjd*
I'm back for 5 mins.
(Flashes thigh to see if anyone is about)
*snort* at pjd. thanks for clarifying "shortly" or I would have taken it personally.
(Takes adavantage of empty bar by stripping naked, photographing self next to pool table, getting dressed again and pretending nothing happened)
Whoops. Someone with glasses.
Hi Precie.
Only here for a few more mins. How's things?
Phew. I think I might just have got away with that one.
Psst! Anyone want photos?
10 mins later...
Yeah, Buffy. I'll give you a thousand quid for 'em.
Should have known I'd find this crew hanging out in the bar on Friday morning. Hey all!
Just posted out the contest winners! Go see. Go see.
Congrats to all and take good care of the zombie cow!
ME
Much as I love the beagle and the hardwood floor, are we gonna get one final parting shot of EE? Back of the head would be apropos, right?
A back of the head shot would mean he'd have to have someone there other than his weredingo to take the picture. Does he??? TMI??? Hmmm...
I think a back of the hand shot would be apropos. After all, we get slapped with the back of his hand all the time. Might as well see it for real to allow true visualization.
I'm changing tags to archive Thursday's bar postings, so things might hiccup if you're posting while I'm changing. Should just take a couple of minutes...
Go lobby him on his blog for another pic! I'll post if he provides. But Robin and I have gone way past the favor limit with him, I think :o) He's been grand about it all!
And Talpianna gets to finish the short story.
Hehe, pete. I think it's likely bright, bright red by now.
Wow, it's been busy today. How is everyone? Is there any drink left?
You and Robin have done such a great job. *applause*
Yes! Three cheers for Robin and Phoenix who did an AWESOME job of coordinating the online event of the century.
It's been so great to really get to know other people and my list of required blog reading has doubled!
I stuck my head back in here to say thanks for a great party. It's been fun.
Thanks all, but the best-catered dinner party would fall flat without great guests showing up and making it a party! Bonnie, Dave, Sylvia and everyone else - thanks to YOU!!!
Thanks to all of you who put on the festive occasion. It was a blast. And wasted a lot of writing time. I always look for excuses like that. Especially when they involve alcohol and junk food.
Yes, PJD, some of us thought your hat was one of the prizes.
And thanks for dragging me out of my shell. I've been holed up for too long...
This has been an absolute stonker.
A true 48 hour party.
*Waves at Bonnie
Yes, WO, it's been quite a party.
Bosh, most of us would show up for the opening of an envelope! The set-up and the contests and especially all the drinks (that was some mighty fine port on Wednesday night by the way), that's where the work was.
Thanks again.
Gawd, I've even started writing a new fiction thing. *grumble*
Thanks Robin and Phoenix for an awesome party!! I've gotten very little work done these past few days, heh. :-)
JW
Bet you've worn a groove in your elbow propping up the bar.
Ah, but have we ruined EE? Now that's he's been forced to interact with us - first on Chris' blog, then those midnight chat sessions, and now this - will he ever be able to look at our queries and openings again with evil, unbiased eyes? He'll see us as people, not avatars. Ladies who drool over his knee and mush over his pup. Guys he's gotten drunk with. People who've said *gasp* kind things to him. Have we ruined him? Have we?
My guess is no.
Bet you've worn a groove in your elbow propping up the bar.~
Yeah, I'm thinking about writing a new book, HOW JULIE GOT HER GROOVE BACK, whatcha think?
Actually thinking about entering a query in Janet Reid's shark pit. I'm fairly sure, I'm still drunk to even consider it.
Oops, late for a meeting. Popping back out now.
Yes, PJD, some of us thought your hat was one of the prizes.
How astonishing.
Was there more than one wacko^H^H^H^H^H party attendee who actually desired that?
Perhaps I'll run an adjunct contest over at my own blog some day with various articles of my clothing as prizes. Alas, I have no kilt.
Phoenix
This is where the evil truly begins.
Hoping to pop back later around 5pm E, if the bar is still open.
Thanks again, Phoenix (& Robin)
You know, having struggled like mad to write a query letter for the Faerie Dream (and still not managed it), I'm getting exceedingly pissed off at all the blog posts saying that means the story must be shit.
Sorry, WO, there was a higher bidder.
PJD, actually, yes, there was interest in your cap.
Now, if you did have a kilt, I'm quite sure your blog would explode with entries. Caps will do, though.
We seem to be easy to please.
That's an invalid assumption, Sylvia. Ineffective query does not mean a bad book. Keep trying.
Thanks WW. Yes, I'm grumbly today.
Article queries are so much easier. :P
Sylvia,
I agree. I read one the other day, which basically said if you can't write a good query letter your don't know how to write a novel either. The gist of it was, don't waste my time and other agents if you can't even write a qood query.
Excuse me for sounding arrogant, but yes, I can write. I just can't write a danged query.
LMAO! EE posted a new pic on his blog...figures. LOL!
Julie, exactly. And now this new post saying if you can't write a query for the book, you aren't excited enough about the book and should write another one that you ARE excited about.
I really resent having my enthusiasm levels dictated to me. The fact that people are saying they spent 3 months writing a query letter doesn't sound "unexcited about the book" to me. This is just not logical.
Sylvia, don't let the bastards get you down.
A good query from a complex story is a very difficult thing indeed. Judging an entire book based on the query is similar to judging the entire portfolio of an artist on one photo. Unfortunately, that's what agents have to do because of the sheer volume of submissions.
The agents find it easier to equate "bad query" with "bad writer" because that way they can justify giving it no more than three minutes. This is not unique to publishing. Venture Capital is much the same. A VC will judge your entire business proposal on two paragraphs of executive summary and, if you're lucky, three minutes of face time.
Thus, the trick is to keep working on the query until you are good at it. Only then, when the agents give your partial/full their complete attention, will you find out that yes, indeed, your story is shit.
*ROTF* Thanks for the tip Precie. That's cheered me right up!
I <3 pjd - I laughed out loud at that, too.
julie, I spend most of my life looking for people who are easy to please. It makes the rest of life a lot easier.
Hey, sylvia, I've been called all sorts of idiot on LOTS of blogs for writing sequels wo selling the first book.
DLTBGYD!
PJD, yes, I know this is a painful exercise that must be conquered.
When I started riding bucking horses, I got my drilled in the ground every time. After three years, I learned to ride them decently. Then I quit because I proved to myself I could do it.
That can't be more difficult than that was.
julie, I spend most of my life looking for people who are easy to please. It makes the rest of life a lot easier.~
Yep, I have given up trying to please difficult people, except for the writing. Everything else is in easy mode.
I think I'll just stick to drinking wine and reciting bad poetry. I seem to have an innate talent for that.
Gah, everyone is gone. I was kidding about the poetry, honestly! Come back!
LMAO! EE posted a new pic on his blog...figures. LOL!
Now you see what we've been up against, Precie :o)
phoenix---you know, you and robin really did pull off something spectacular! Organizing this many people, this many tributes, all the festivities, and keeping them secret. Very nicely done!
Aw, and nice Nathan Bransford even made mention of EE's anniversary party in his Friday blog post!
Totally changing the subject - this story made me smile:
Cane Skimmings
I emailed Nathan a while back - good that he's posted - that's really nice!
I followed up with NB on Tues. :o) Guess the PR campaign worked. At least he didn't get miffed about TOO many emails.
I seriously need to find some agent blogs that represent what I write.
EE is good for the feedback and laughs so I'll keep him, though, even if he isn't an agent.
This was a great party, you two. I'm very impressed.
Not still going???
I'm just here cleaning up. *Points to empty bottles* I cleaned all those out. *hic
This really was fun. We need to do it again sometime! (Not phoenix and Robin, but the BIG we, as in, the minions...)
Herding cats, Robin :)
Yes, we do, Robin. I think EE said he would think about setting up a schedule to open the bar.
Amongst all the silliness, there were some odd moments of rational thinking.
And now, off to get ink so I can actually edit some things.
I need to post the last story with the ROBIN butt also.
Good night all! It's been a great, great party!
Yeah - I think that would be cool, Julie.
Night, Sylvia!
Well, looks like I missed the party.
Hey - Phoenix and Robin: You guys did a GREAT job with this par-tay!!! I wish I could have been here more.
I think once or twice a year is sufficient. Any more and I'd never get anything accomplished.
I wouldn't mind it once a month but only for one evening. Actually, all the wrangling back and forth kind of re-energized me. I'm actually going to *shudder* submit a query to EE
You always have the lovely timezone problem to deal with, that is why two days was good. Weekends might help with that? (says she who seems to be gone most weekends)
I have a query I want to submit but I don't have a title for the thing :(
Yes, the weekend might be good so people can just pop in.
Why are you havign problems with a title?
I always have problems with titles. I've had finished short stories that sat for months waiting for a title so I could submit them. Novels are worse. With my last one, I used the name of a main character, but she was a ship so it worked.
Maybe it's because I think of it as trying to fit what the whole story is about into a few words.
In this scene my mc has been watching some seamen sparring. The captain offers to teach her a technique he uses in exchange for a kiss if he beats her. She is a little over confident and agrees.
This is the conversation after the fight. It just spoke to me because her temper and pride do get her in trouble.
“I’m a pirate, paladin. I play to win and while I did bait you out, you for the most part beat yourself. Anger is a poor teacher in battle. Aside from that, you hold your shield too close and you don’t press the attack.”
“You knew I would take the challenge.”
“I did. Paladin’s pride. Pride will undo you, little one. It will get you into more trouble than you can get out of and I have a feeling you can find trouble without looking for it.”
Dragon Valley will get a new title. That is boring as all get out, but I am too lazy to think about it.
The title will probably be changed anyway, so don't stress about it.
Christ, you people are still here? Go home. It's. Over. Go!
No, kidding. I just wanted to thank Phoenix and Robin for putting on a great show. Thinking about the amount of work you two put into this makes me shutter. You should be proud. We're all proud of you, and extremely grateful, and it seemed like EE enjoyed himself, so a success all around. Course he probably still likes Deece better, but hey, baby steps.
Thanks again you two! I'd stay and help clean up, but...I've got a...thing...
*thumbs through the naked WO album and sighs with deep contentment.
I will never look at another pool table the same way.
Blogless has a thing?
Who knew.
Blogless is all thing.
Just popping in to say thank you again, Robin and Phoenix! Fab party.
McK, I am going to have the prize sent to you. I'm moving shortly and putting most of my things in storage.
You do need a title of some sort to start with though :)
My "first" was Stupid Novel for most of its life. I didn't think that was good title to send it out under though.
The current one is living under the exciting, original title of Falcon.
And you do need something to inspire those Guess The Plots!
What is Falcon about?
Playing on a fantasy stereotype - a master thief was betrayed by a friend & spent 20 years in prison is now free and wants revenge but that former friend is now a man of power within the city & life isn't very easy when you're a broken down ex-thief. Falcon was his "working name" so it's not even applicable now.
Good Grief.
"The Kingdom Of Eternal Frivole!"
How come Julie gets the pictures of WO and the pool table, and I don't? And after all we've said to each other, WO. *shaking head*
Life's cruel —
a fickle distributor
of drool.
So poetic...sigh.
Kirsten, when you live in the bar for three days, you see all kinds of things...er, stuff.
Let's have a novel naming! Xenith needs help.
Julie, is he wearing the pink socks in any of the photos?
I'm in and out for a while.
(Thinks: does Weathers live here?)
I saw one sock, but his feet were bare.
Can't really think of anything original for that name...
Honor Among Thieves
Dishonor Among Thieves
Payback
Paycheck
To Live and Die in Tannuvial
Was the sock a tight fit, or did it droop. I need to know...
Nicker Knackered?
In and out...
sorry
That's what my dad calls a vasectomy: getting your knickers knacked.
Falcon's Flight
Falcon's Shadow
Shadow Keeper
It has to centre on the thief's current predicament, but still relate to thieving.
Something about his life being stolen.
Must be an idiom involving the word 'taken' or something like that.
It's early and I've yet to hook my neck bolts up to the generator.
I'd stick with a simple OUCH — particularly if it was performed by a falcon.
Oh, thank you! You've give me ideas. (sniffs a little)
No Pocket Unpicked
Although I guess now, when it appears on the list of titles in need of GTPs, you'll all recognise it
While I'm here — can anyone think of an archaic fusty sort of word for 'too long'?
I have tarried here...?
(This is research btw, not a statement of fact)
Was the sock a tight fit, or did it droop. I need to know...~
Ok, made me choke on my coffee there.
When you see such bright pink stripe
Looking like it holds a pipe
Then you realize it's just a sock
Wrapped around a lovely...snipe.
Sorry, I have snipe hunting on my mind.
Obviously you now have to completely rewrite the book to take that into account...
overlong?
What is a snipe? Are they good eating, or simply ornamental?
I like tarry.
now all i can think of is the Red Hot Chili Peppers...
I'm not a good snipe hunter, but I'm guessing they taste like chicken.
now all i can think of is the Red Hot Chili Peppers...
You started it.
I really do need to figure out this fight scene.
Or Dr Seuss.
Overlong is getting there, thanks.
I love Dr. Suess. I had trouble in getting to Solla Saloo
are you tarrying overlong, or simply describing your sock?
sorry, bad me
K — I was trying to eat a slice of toast, but there's no hope of that now.
Would you hit him with a sword?
Would you hit him with a board?
Would you tie him with a cord?
Or sing until he's old and bored?
I would not hit him with a sword
I would not hit him with a board
I would not tie him with a cord
Or sing until he's old and bored.
how come?
*blinks innocently*
I'm not sure it was overlong, but it was pleasingly...oh, the word.
I like tarry.
Geez, I suck at rhyming, can't come up with a single one...
Oh, ok, I'll use the sword.
Yes I would
I'd do those things
I'd do them if I could
All those silly silly things
I would I would I would.
Actually, that's more like Byron's juvenilia, isn't it?
I can't remember the name of the story now, but I always liked the one about the walking pants.
PLEASINGLY WHAT!!!???
WO, I think I'm in love with you.
The pink socks.
The poetry.
The uneaten toast.
*swoon*
Kirsten, I'm not really good at poetry, I just enjoy screwing with my mind. Simple things amuse me.
I really would like to sleep, but my back is bothering me.
Jesus!
We're like three lewd acrobats who can toss each other into the air but not catch.
Too bad WO's so far away. We could go serenade him.
Poetry
Socks
Yep, verily a man for all reasons.
Lewd? Not me. I'm delicate, like a flower.
Hmm, I should sleep too, but I'm in the middle of a scene between a woman and her father where she's trying to break it to him that she's living in sin with a married couple.
It won't end well.
Actually, Jullie, I'm lewd enough for the both of us...
Pleasingly...plump?
Talking of flowers, the five year old cactus I have on my window sill may be just about to bloom.
Actually, Jullie, I'm lewd enough for the both of us...
Good, because I am bashful also. I'll just watch.
'That's right, Pop — they're both called Barbra...'
See, WO, everything you say just intrigues me more...
pink socks, lewd acrobats, cacti...
Julie--how plump? Pleasingly is a subjective term. I need numbers!
sorry
Ah, and WO has a love for flowers. Even better.
Careful, I think Kirsten is swooning again.
40
Sorry, WO, but even after 14 years of that purgatory we call marriage, I can't imagine any releationship that doesn't contain at least one man...
Give me two more years, and I might take Barbra and Barbra up on their offer.
It's a fantasy bar. It'll have airbags — and a duck like the one from EE's recent cartoon for releasing emergency smelling salts as it spins the wheel.
Wait, I was wearing my magnifying glasses.
40 what?!!! Microns? Millimeters? Cubits? WHAT!??!!
Transvestites, then.
As long as its not Jovian kilometres, we'll be OK.
40 stripes
Oh, see, now that's just...interesting...
Hmm. There does seem to be a dearth of the T in GLBT fiction...
Are we talking ribbed socks here? Knit one, purl two? How many rows per stripe? And what weight is the yarn?
what is GLBT?
You know, it's a good thing this place isn't terribly well known. People might get the wrong idea about us.
gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual
In epublished erotic romance (mostly written with a female readership in mind) there is a dearth of everything but teh GAy.
A sex-changed zombie with regrets would make a great character.
I was just thinking whoever comes in to clean up tomorrow might just ban my ass for good.
Being there at pretty much the very beginning will only buy you so much leeway...
Ah, well, I've never read that because, you know, I'm delicate, like a flower. And virginal. Did I mention virginal?
He (formerly she) regreted the surgery after that fateful night she was so hungry she snacked on her, um... never mind.
How long is this place open?
I only happened by to be sporadic and I wasn't expecting anyone to be around.
To be honest, it's been more fun at 6pm GMT than midnight.
I was just thinking whoever comes in to clean up tomorrow might just ban my ass for good.~
Reckon? Maybe we can just go hang out at EE's.
Sure, and I was virginal when I went leafing through my uncle's penthouses at age 14.
I guess there are different degrees of virginal purity, haha.
It's actually almost midnight here...
I'm kind of surprised it's still open. Maybe they forgot us.
There are virgins who know how provocative they are and other virgins who don't.
That's the main difference.
I guess there are different degrees of virginal purity, haha.
Well, I had four kids, but I'm sure that was immaculate deception.
That'sprobably it. We're the Forgotten.
Ooh, good title, surely taken. without the "the"
Just: Forgotten
Maybe the door will swing shut in a moment and the entire bar descend, Indiana Joneslike, into a pit of spikes.
Either that or EE will turn up with a trumpet.
Which ones are more attractive to dirty minded men? The ones who know or the ones who don't?
There are virgins who know how provocative they are and other virgins who don't.~
That's an interesting concept.
I have a guy I bounce ideas off to get his prospective on my erotic scenes. Erotic to me is very, very mild.
He has mentioned before how alluring innocence is.
I'll take the spikes. I'm really more of a clarinet kinda gal.
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