Thursday, April 24, 2008

The Bar - 4th Round (Thursday)

Hey, it's karaoke time!

118 comments:

Phoenix Sullivan said...

Where is everyone? Was karaoke a bad idea? You don't have to sing - or even lip sync. Swear!

Evil Editor said...

In answer to Kiersten's question, the genres I get most often:

Adventure (9)
Chick Lit (10)
Children's (34)
Commercial fiction (12)
Contemporary fantasy (13)
Contemporary romance (17)
Dark Fantasy (15)
Epic Fantasy (41)
Fantasy (82)
Historical fiction (14)
Historical romance (11)
Literary Fiction (63)
Mystery (44)
Nonfiction (13)
Paranormal romance (13)
Romantic suspense (20)
Satire/Farce (9)
science fiction (32)
Thriller (40)
Urban fantasy (19)
YA (62)

No doubt it took so long to compile this she's gone.

Kiersten White said...

Wow, so, a very broad mix with a heavier leaning toward fantasy. Very interesting.

Thanks.

I would ask what genre you actually edit for a living, but I think that's off limits?

Kiersten White said...

And I didn't leave, I just thought you were ignoring me.

Kiersten White said...

And did you really go through and compile all that just for my question? I'm so flattered. You have a very broad readership. I think your points and comments are so helpful in that they apply across the board.

Wes said...

Kiersten,
Do you have any insight about how women involved in plural marriages feel about it?

Kiersten White said...

I'm also really good at having conversations with myself. Comes in handy during the long, lonely days. But I'm off for naptime.

Thanks again for answering that question, EE.

Kiersten White said...

Oh, but then Wes comes out of nowhere with an interesting question. Just a moment.

Wes said...

Good. Glad you're still here.

Renee Collins said...

Kiersten! What's a nice Mormon girl like you doing in the bar? I'm thoroughly scandalized. ;)

EE, great party. I am not new to your site. I've actually been reading it faithfully for a while now, but I could never get up the nerve to comment. Those red hot laser beams coming out of your eyes are just so menacing.
I love your blog, though. Always cracks me up.

Kiersten White said...

As far as personal insight, no. Mormons don't practice plural marriage (it's been banned since 1890, thank heavens).

But from what I've read, most of the women have been raised and brainwashed to believe that they are doing God's will. Their purpose on earth is to repopulate it, and they are the property of their husbands. The husbands' have God's authority, and so can command their wives in everything, since they are the ones receiving direction.

They are also taught that the rest of the world is evil, and corrupts them. So, in this way it's kind of like North Korea. Most of them don't know that it's actually better outside because they've never known any different. Some of them want to rebel but don't dare. Some of them actually make it out, and have to deal with the shock and trauma of adjusting to real life.

Personally, I think it's evil. You don't use God and religion as a way to oppress and control people.

Kiersten White said...

Renee, what's a nice Mormon girl like YOU doing in a bar?

We can be the designated drivers.

Renee Collins said...

Good plan, Kiersten. Though, I might get hopped up on Dr Pepper.

Kiersten White said...

I already did that...see what rebels we are?

Kiersten White said...

And you should totally participate on EE. I came out of nowhere and started submitting things and commenting. At first I was worried it would be kind of a "cool kids club" and they would snub me. But then it turns out everyone is really old! Just kidding. It actually turns out everyone is really nice, and very welcoming. And everyone is the same age in type.

Anonymous said...

I'm unemployed so I can drink all day!! Cheers!

Evil, toss out a crumb of profundity ??

ME

Wes said...

It would certainly be interesting to view plural marriage from a woman's perspective.

Utah and the Saints would be fertile material for historical fiction. I've spent a lot of time there, traced long sections of the Mormon Trail, and studied bits and pieces of history. I was camped once at Thanksgiving near some Indian ruins along Cedar Mesa in southern UT. Brigham Young had sent a group down to colonize the area, found Blanding, Bluff, Mexican Hat, etc. They got to the end of Cedar Mesa (where I was camped 130 years later), and they couldn't get down the cliffs. So they dissembled their wagons, and lowered the pieces, the horses, and all supplies by ropes. I saw the grooves in the sandstone cut by the ropes. It is truly the Beehive State.

Renee Collins said...

I know, I really should participate. It's such a fun group, a real writers community.
I guess another reason I never post is that I am afraid someone will click on my name and find my abysmally boring blog.

Kiersten White said...

Those were my ancestors! My mom's family is from Monticello/Blanding, and I'm a descendent of the people who did those very things.

And actually, there is a TON of historical fiction about the Mormons. Not necessarily good historical fiction, but there's a lot of it.

Wes said...

Join us, Renee. Everybody takes a shot now and then, but it's generally delivered in a good natured way. Once the stinging stops, you can look at your work and see ways to improve it.

Kiersten White said...

Oh, Renee, we all have fantastically boring blogs! And if they click on it and don't like it, they just won't come back. Who cares?

Whirlochre said...

I'm in.

Good to see Wes on his horse. A very accommodating bar, this.

Whirlochre said...

Have I caught you all in mid-scribble about matters religious?

Luckily I have a carrot for the horse so I don't look like too much of a prawn...

Wes said...

I have great respect for the pioneers. Particularly the Handcart Brigades. Imagine pushing/pulling a handcart across the plains. While tracing the Morman Trail, I accidently ran across a handmade monument to the group that died in the blizzard (can't remember the year).

Whirlochre said...

And another carrot for myself — or an imaginary friend if it starts snowing and I can find 2 lumps of coal.

Kiersten White said...

Just discussing some interesting things. No big. Wes is impressed with my ancestors, and that makes me happy ; )

I was making an analogy between polygamist colonies and North Korea.

Renee, a fellow Mormon, was shocked that she found me in the bar...until she realized that she, herself, was also in the bar.

You're all caught up.

Whirlochre said...

Hi Wes.

My problem with the Mormon Trail is that I know nothing about it, so if I don't join in with this it's because I'm keen not to appear too much of an imbecile (sock avatar notwithstanding).

Kiersten White said...

The Martin/Willy handcart company. Pretty amazing stuff. And pretty scary that not that long ago our country allowed a state to issue an extermination order based on religion.

I'm impressed though, you've done more to trace the history than I have. Any particular reason for your interest?

Wes said...

In my manuscripts I use the original spelling for the Ute Indians, Eutaw.

Wes said...

BFD

Kiersten White said...

Uh, have you seen my blogs? Being an imbecile = not a problem.

Renee Collins said...

True, true.

Actually, I can't wait to send my query to EE (as soon as I write it, of course.)

I like when it stings. :)

Whirlochre said...

K — blog looks OK to me. I tried taaz.com but it wouldn't let me upload anything so I toyed mercilessly with the available Hot Chick Collection.

Wes said...

I'm a western history buff. American western history, that is. I like the early stuff best, pre-Civil War.

Kiersten White said...

I'm waiting not-very-patiently for mine to come up. I can't wait to see what he says, and to improve it. It's just so hard when it's your own writing and you know the story inside and out.

I've even been having dreams about it. Of course, the dream revolved around him writing a page-long rant about how my plot was so bad he had lost all faith in humanity.

So hopefully that's not how it actually turns out.

A. said...

Hey, guys! Just popping in to hello. Sadly, a project was thrown at me yesterday and I haven't had much time to party with you :(

Thinking of you, though!!

Okay... bye... sniffle.

Kiersten White said...

Wes, I probably should have guessed that from the picture ; )

I'd say Mormon historical fiction is dying for some good writing. It is a very intersting time period.

And Whirlochre, that's too bad about taaz. It's ridiculously entertaining. We did my husband, and it's horrifying--he looks like his mother with a 5 o'clock shadow.

I have another blog about writing that is actually the imbecilic one I was referring to.

Renee Collins said...

lol

I feel the exact same way. Well, I'll look forward to seeing how your turn goes.

Whirlochre said...

I wonder, if two imbeciles met in a forest, would either of them have the wit to think, 'aha! an imbecile!'

Renee Collins said...

Hey, it's been fun. I wish I would have checked this sooner in my precious "internet time." Alas, things to do. Things to do.

Kiersten, throw back a couple cold ones for me.

Kiersten White said...

I would just be worried about running into someone in the forest.

Whirlochre said...

Wes — on matters historical, I realise that in spite of being up to date on the various kings and queens of England, I know precious little about the history of the USA. Shameful, when you think about it — but indicative of pre-internet geographical limitations.

Kiersten White said...

Fresh out of Dr Pepper, but I'll pretend. Talk to you soon.

I'm also out. Clever Wes and his interesting questions sidetracked me from my goal--nap while my kids are.

Thanks for the fun chatting, guys.

Whirlochre said...

Walk.

kirsten saell said...

You know, Whirlochre, next time you're on the northmost tip of Vancouver Island in Canada, you're going to have to look me up. And bring some of whatever it is you're drinking.

jill said...

I made it back today! Unfortunatly, just had enough time to read all the comment trails before I head back out.

Glad to see the party's continuing - Robyn and Phoenix are great hostesses! And EE deserves it all.

Hope to make it back while the east coasters are still around. Or maybe I'll get some writing done. Or write a paragraph, refresh the blog, write a sentence, refresh the blog, write a word, refresh the blog...

Whirlochre said...

How tempting to write 'ha ha ha ha — why, my own blood, of course!'

But no — just a can of 100% urine cider.

kirsten saell said...

This place is quite refreshing...

kirsten saell said...

On second thought, I think I'll stick to Old Style Pilsner...

Whirlochre said...

Kir - how have you been since this morning? Or - 12 hours ago?

Everything, by definition, has changed.

kirsten saell said...

Hey, WO, I slept eight hours, got my kids to school, slipped my roofer a quick hundred so he could buy himself some smokes since it's raining and he has nothing to do...

Halfway done a three-way sex scene that I've been slogging through all afternoon. Slogging, not the best way to write a sex scene, lol!

Whirlochre said...

Half a three-way sex scene?

Nope. I'll leave someone else to do the maths.

kirsten saell said...

Looks like I arrived too late to chime in on polygamy, haha.

kirsten saell said...

A one-and-a-half-way sex scene...

Whirlochre said...

From the sound of it, polygamy needs a helping hand.

kirsten saell said...

To be fair, I did four pages of dialog, too.

Whirlochre said...

So if it takes one authoress 12 hours to write a one-and-a-half-way sex scene (minus time out to supply roofers with smokes), how many authoresses are needed to pen a full-on orgy while having their drive way repaved?

I loved those maths questions.

kirsten saell said...

You know, the longer I'm married, the better polygamy sounds. I need a wife. Someone to look after the house, keep the kids out of my hair, rub my feet, cook dinner and remind me to phone my mom on her birthday...

Whirlochre said...

Dialogue in a 3-way sex scene? I bet that was a bugger to tag.

kirsten saell said...

I once wrote 12 pages 1 1/2-spaced, of sex in an hour and a half. Granted, my driveway wasn't being paved at the time...

kirsten saell said...

Everyting's a bugger to tag in a three-way sex scene, hahaha.

Whirlochre said...

It would be interesting to find out whether polygamists were above average age for the population. Or dead.

kirsten saell said...

And now, I must away. Back to the grind (and bump). Nice chatting, WO. We really ought to get together more often for, um... math.

Whirlochre said...

What was your biro made of? Titanium?

kirsten saell said...

For once I wasn't typing one-handed, haha.

Whirlochre said...

I'm guessing that just leaves me then, as no-one else has slid from under a barstool for the last quarter of an hour.

I'd attempt to summon a lurker with my magicks — but I'm no warlock.

Whirlochre said...

Have fun, KS.

kirsten saell said...

Climb up n a table and dance in your socks, that should bring them out in droves. But me, I must go. I mean it this time. Smell ya later.

Robin S. said...

Damn. i'm missing so so much!!!

I'll be back in 30 minutes- no really kinky stuff without me, please! gotta take Blondie to a lacrosse game and drop her butt off there....

Whirlochre said...
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Kiersten White said...

Kirsten and I keep trading off. Maybe two of us in one place is just too much.

Evil Editor said...

I'm back. My schedule is written somewhere. 6PM and 10 PM.

Wes said...

Whirlochre,
Sorry I had to go away and do some work for my company. In a nutshell, in the early days of the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons), there were religious riots in Illinois and Missouri between Mormons and non-Mormons. The Mormons decided to remove themselves from their rowdy neighbors and found their own territory in what is now Utah. The Oregon Trail had begun around 1842, which was used by immigrants (whereas the Santa Fe Trail was used for commerce) to travel from Missouri to Oregon and Calfornia. It basically followed the Platte River, then the Sweetwater River. Since Mormons and others had their difficulties, the Mormon Trail followed the same route, but on the other side of the rivers. The Mormons stopped near Salt Lake while the most immigrants continued to the west coast.

Where this might interest you, since we are one people separated by a common language, is that Oregon (then composed of the states of Oregon and Washington and the province of British Columbia) was disputed territory claimed by Britian and the U.S. (and maybe Russia). American immigrants basically took it on themselves to settle it and claim it for the U.S. Britian decided it wasn't worth fighting a war over and ceded the territory to the U.S.

Evil Editor said...

Though having just discovered that Lost returns tonight at 10, I wish I'd made it 9.

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Whirlochre said...

I'm back, too.

Julie Weathers said...

Welcome back, EE.

Nice hand, anyone claim it yet?

Phoenix Sullivan said...

We'll switch your time over, if you want, EE. It's your party - you can have things your way.

Evil Editor said...

If it weren't for this party I'd have got through two more Face-Lifts, so blame Robin and Phoenix for your not being up yet. What's the title?

Kiersten White said...

I'm so excited Lost is back. It's pretty good this season.

The beginning of last season was lame, but it picked up again toward the end.

I will always love JJ Abrams though. DVDs of Alias saved my sanity when my daughter was born and I had to sit in the rocking chair and nurse from 9 PM to 4 AM.

That was probably TMI. Let's just leave it at "I love Lost."

Whirlochre said...

I'm guessing you're as lumbered with evidence of Brits as we are with the French and the vikings.

Julie Weathers said...

I'll be back in 30 minutes- no really kinky stuff without me, please! gotta take Blondie to a lacrosse game and drop her butt off there....~

No promises. I, of course, will abstain from said activities, but I wonder about some of our other minions.

Kiersten White said...

I know. If I wasn't having so much fun, I'd be ticked at the delay. As it is, I'm okay with it. And I don't want to tell you the title, because then you'll just write that it's made you lose all faith in humanity.

Evil Editor said...

Let's switch. If I tape it to watch tomorrow my weredingo might erase it if I feed her late.

Whirlochre said...

Lost?

Hurl Self From Bridge TV for me, I'm afraid.

And I'm deliberately missing Series 2 Episode 1 of Heroes in order to be here.

Kiersten White said...

We can be tame and lame together, Julie. I'll talk about my babies and you can talk about your grandbabies.

Julie Weathers said...

Kiersten

I don't worry until numerous critters tell me to drop the keyboard and back away before someone gets hurt.

Kiersten White said...

We always just watch it on the computer the next night. Shorter commercials. Also, we don't have television. And yet, I still manage to get nothing done...

Evil Editor said...

You can't be an editor if you have any faith in humanity.

Phoenix Sullivan said...

There aren't that many up there, Kiersten. He'll probably just write it on all of them now to cover his bases. Then for you it'll be a dream come true...

Julie Weathers said...

Ah, forgot. I'm not talking to you. You called me OLD.

Kiersten White said...

Oh, are you talking about TMI, Julie? lol...I'm notorious for being brazenly open about the gory details of childbirth. My husband squirms, but I'm usually talking with people who either asked or who have done the same thing, so I don't care.

And yet the sex talks on here make me uncomfortable..

Phoenix Sullivan said...

EE, it now say 9:00. Like it always has (hehe).

Julie Weathers said...

No, earlier. You were thanking people for helping you and then said, but they are OLD!

Kiersten White said...

Old and wonderful and far smarter than I'll ever be ; )

Well, the dream WAS pretty awesome. I saw my letter unchanged, all in black, and I was so excited--he didn't find anything to criticize! Then I scrolled down...

Wes said...

"You can't be an editor if you have any faith in humanity."

Priceless!!!

When's Robin coming back?

Kiersten White said...

I've got a long way to go if I ever want to be an editor then. At least I'm learning from the best.

Julie Weathers said...

I'm a country girl so reproduction doesn't bother me much. I had four munchkins.

I don't discusss s-e-x either. I'm delicate, like a flower.

Julie Weathers said...
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Whirlochre said...

I'll trade 'old' for 'wizzened' any day. Not that I'm either.

Robin S. said...

Are you all here???? please say yes please say yes...

Kiersten White said...

(Also, Julie, it's the internet...you could claim to be twenty and none of us would be any wiser. Come to think of it, I'm sixty.)

Evil Editor said...

I never criticize. That would be mea. I ruthlessly mock.

Wes said...

We're here waiting for you!

Kiersten White said...

Yes, yes, yes! Hey Robin, darling! We've missed you. Julie and I are old prudes.

And Julie, four, way to go! That's what I want on good days. On bad days, I want three. On really bad days...well, I think of which kid I could get the most money for.

Whirlochre said...

Are we here? Couldn't swing a cat.

Evil Editor said...

mean

Robin S. said...

Oh YESSSSSSS. OK- what's the dirt??

EE, are you doing anything stinky without me?

Julie Weathers said...

Old and wonderful and far smarter than I'll ever be ; )`

Nice try, but it's too late. You called me OLD. Not even old..OLD!

First WO says we smell like bears and then you call us OLD!

Yes, Robin, still here.

Did you like your costume with ROBIN across the butt?

Kiersten White said...

Well, I am eagerly awaiting my ruthless mocking. I'm excited.

Whirlochre said...

Old Prudes? Great name for a rock band.

Phoenix Sullivan said...

Robin's back. That must mean it's time for another round. Pack your bags and move on over for the 5th Round, please. The blog admin needs to wipe the tables and pick up the empties in here. You guys are slobs.

Robin S. said...

WHAT? Costume? Where?

Julie Weathers said...

Kiersten,

I wanted six, but I'm not a good broodmare. Easy breeder, but not a good broodmare.

Anonymous said...

Jeez, I'm gone for an hour or so and you're talking about the Mormon Trail? Yowza.

Can't say I'd want to get involved in that. All my Mormon relatives shun me fer bein' a heathen, donchya know.

Anyhow, I am really gone from the rest of the party. Hope you all have a couple of beer for me!

And EE, are you serious that you get that many fantasy subs? I'd be interested in knowing your definition of the sub-genre.

writtenwyrdd

Whirlochre said...

I thought I'd cleared up that business with the bears!

Serves me right for falling for one of McKoala's leg-pulls.

Julie Weathers said...

Robin, in the Martha and Tilley Do Evil Editor's Party. You're at the throne with a feather fan waiting for the guest of honor. You have ROBIN on your butt.

Kiersten White said...

Would it help if I called myself DUMB? Not just dumb, but DUMB? I abase myself in humble apology, Julie. You are a goddess among grandmothers.